Saturday, 13 February 2016

Lancaster BUG Seeks Passengers' Views Before Submitting Proposals to the County Council

Under the 3rd April service changes prompted by Lancashire County Council's termination of bus service contracts, a number of places are due to see large reductions in services or even to lose all their buses completely.


The County Council has set up a cross-party Working Group to consider how best to spend the £2M fund it has set aside to mitigate the effects of its own decisions.  The Bus Users' Group will be suggesting that the money is used to re-instate bus services in those areas worst affected. We will be putting detailed timetables to them for consideration on a number of routes as shown below.

Please have a look at what we are suggesting and let us have any comments or suggestions as to how they could be improved.  Please remember though that the £2M replaces a total of £7.5M currently spent and that it has to cover the whole of the county council's administrative area so there is little point in just asking for everything to be put back as it was. We feel that our proposals will cover the most people in the greatest need.

We realise that our suggestions will still leave a lot of people facing cuts to services they currently use, but once the county has made its decision we hope to work with parish councils and other groups to see how additional buses can be provided.

The Council is leaving very little time for suggestions to be made so please let us have your comments as soon as possible and by the Wednesday, 17th February at the latest.

Here are the suggested timetables.




22 comments:

  1. Hi, 89 bus fan here, live in Pilling. Whilst I feel the proposed route is good and certainly better than nothing, if if could go to Knottend too it would be a real help. We rely on doctors in Knottend/preesall, so just being able to get there (and from there on to Blackpool via other services) would be a real help.

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  2. Also do you need to have a profile for another site/service to comment on here? That's going to restrict the feedback you're able to receive I'm afraid if that is the case. (I have an old Google blog that allowed me to comment but most people won't be able to easily give feedback directly on this article - imagine they'll comment on Facebook shares instead)

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  3. Also do you need to have a profile for another site/service to comment on here? That's going to restrict the feedback you're able to receive I'm afraid if that is the case. (I have an old Google blog that allowed me to comment but most people won't be able to easily give feedback directly on this article - imagine they'll comment on Facebook shares instead)

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  4. Hi, 89 bus fan here, live in Pilling. Whilst I feel the proposed route is good and certainly better than nothing, if if could go to Knottend too it would be a real help. We rely on doctors in Knottend/preesall, so just being able to get there (and from there on to Blackpool via other services) would be a real help.

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  5. The settings were in place to cut down on spam and prevent anonymous comments, but we have opened up the comments to everyone for the time being. Thanks for pointing this out.
    On the 89 our primary focus is on the Lancaster District as this is the area our group was set up to serve. We have already exceed our remit by considering services to Pilling, which is in Wyre District. The Working Party at the county council will consider all suggestions so I suggest you get in touch with your county councillor. In the meantime though we will have a look at the possibility of extending to Knott End

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  6. I live on The 89 route at Cockerham. This seems a good compromise and would fulfil most peoples needs. However I am concerned about those that need to travel to Knott End or beyond for work, appointments at GP's or Blackpool hospital, and education. It would mean that people from Pilling, for example, would have to travel to Lancaster and then catch a bus to Blackpool or Fleetwood then to Knott End. A long journey and you certainly wouldn't get to work on time. Perhaps if the mid morning and mid afternoon buses were cut Lancaster to Knott End could still be possible. People could still get to work and back and those travelling for other reasons have the opportunity to travel there and back in half a day. For rural communities public transport is essential. None of us know when we will need it if we are unable to drive for whatever reason.

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  7. The people of galgate, have two buses an hour, when Lancaster university has 8, also at least three of these buses are empty. This is a disgrace, we are not all university students you know. We pay 52.00 for a monthly ticket. When the university ticket cones out a lot cheaper. Is it free to run empty buses.

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  8. Hi I would like to thank the bus users group for all the support shown during the announced cuts this has been extremly upsetting and stressful time for me personally and thank them for proposed timetable this is better than nothing. I would of preferred a bus a little earlier like 8 or 9 for work purposes and thinking of any students.thankyou once again. Lucy lambert

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  9. Thanks for all your comments so far. There seems to be a view that at least some journeys on the 89 should go through to Knott End, so we will look at this.

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  10. Thanks for all your comments so far. There seems to be a view that at least some journeys on the 89 should go through to Knott End, so we will look at this.

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    1. Do we know whether anyone has prompted Blackpool Transport to consider extending some journeys on their commercial Knott End to Blackpool service to Pilling? Even if it were not commercial that might be a cheaper alternative and there may be more demand for through journeys from Pilling to Poulton and beyond than from Knott End (only) to Lancaster.

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  11. Hi, first of all, really glad this group exists, doing the power of good and helping out many who would otherwise be stuck without buses! I am hoping the 81 to Kirkby Lonsdale will be reinstated. I use this bus to get home from work safely in the evening, and without incurring costs to myself in taxis. I do hope it comes to light how popular many of the night services are, and that they are hopefully reinstated with an infrequent, but still viable, service.

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    1. Hi, can you let us know what time you can get to the bus station after work and where (which village) you live, and if there are others who regularly use the same bus as you after work? Thanks

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  12. I travelled om the 11:10 Lancaster to Knott End service the other day, and then onto Cleveleys. Spoke to the friendly Fleetwood-based driver at Knott End, who said he had taken a grand total of £6! Not being used. Nowhere near enough to cover the costs of operating it without a large subsidy.

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  13. re 80-81 , last bus at 5.30 means that retail based workers wil have no transport home. The 5.45 bus from Lancaster to Brookhouse regularly has 10 plus people on it . Could this bus not stay or even as a compromise a 6.00 bus ?

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    1. See the proposal on the next news item

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  14. Where can we find the Stagecoach proposed timetable for the 81 route Lancaster to Kirkby, to compare with your suggestions.

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  15. This is my view, which you can find on our Village Blog:
    Lancaster District Bus Users Group have put a proposal to County, for funding additional services from the the £2m they have reserved for this purpose. Personally I am astounded, no - fuming - at the impertinence of the suggestions that the LDBUG have put forward.
    They have made no suggestions regarding the Gressingham, Arkholme and Whittington Service. However they have suggested the reinstatement of a bus, every hour between Lancaster and Hornby, ON SUNDAYS.
    So we loose everything and Hornby are reward with a Sunday service of 11 buses.
    In addition there will be one 81 bus every day (which would normally come to Kirkby via Melling, going instead only to Wennington, so that people getting the train back to Manchester have a bus from Lancaster to catch it.
    http://www.whittingtonvillage.org.uk/blog/lancaster-bus-user-group/

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  16. Can I just suggest that Lancashire County Council and Stagecoach have come to the conclusion not enough people in your posh car infested village use this service enough to make it viable enough to splash part of the 2 million on these buses you so want but won't use? I work for LCC and have seen the passenger figures, now Mr Blog all mighty, stop wasting my tax and fund your own ghost service, and whilst I'm at it, stop having a go at Lancaster Bus Users group, it's a voluntary organisation and they should not have to put forward unviable cash wasting options for your poxy Tory voting village!

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  17. Hey John, further to my comment above I've just been on your blog and I just had to add insult to your wounded crusade by pointing out a comment from one of your fellow villagers, she said she and her partner were the only ones on a bus from the village to Kirkby Lonesdale one evening, she goes on to point out that councils have been telling bus users to 'use it or loose it', you didn't follow their advice and so rightly so you've lost it, I astounded, no fuming that your villagers and neighbouring villagers haven't followed this advice then winge when you have it taken from you! Grow up and find another way to secure a bus, like paying for it yourselves!

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  18. Hi all, I just wanted to weigh in on the proposed 89 timetable. I live in preesall and I both attend Lancaster university and work in Lancaster. I don't drive and I cannot make it on time for 9am going on the 2c and then the 42 to Lancaster. So I am physically looking into moving house because of the cuts. I take the 655 89 from knott end frequently and it is usually full with laying sixth form students/university students and workers going into work. I always believed one of the problems was some of the elderly who I quote "the pass allows me to go out for the day and so I do". This is mistreating the bus service and not contributing to the overall running. I would like to propose that the service should be extended to knott end if possible, but I also believe people should pay towards he running of the bus at all ages. Unless severely disabled that you have absolutely no other choice but to take a bus.

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    1. Rachael, The Bus Users Group is firmly of the opinion that all bus passengers should stick together and should not allow anyone to get us fighting amongst ourselves. The bus companies are paid for carrying passengers with bus passes and the law insists that they are no worse off from doing so. There are many journeys in the middle of the day that would just not be viable without bus pass users and of course they are not allowed on the first bus of the day to Lancaster, which you use.
      Our Group's remit does not cover Knott End, but nevertheless we have already agreed to reconsider and if we can do so without making the service in Lancaster District poor value for money we will submit a revised suggestion to the County Council - as indeed could bus users in Knott End if they so wished.

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